Curse

Mercury Angel · May 23, 2006, 12:11 AM // 00:11

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Originally Posted by Gusnana1412

Agreed, Broad Head Arrow is a powerfull skill for ranger, shoot it with Silencing Recurve Bow with 16 Mark and RTW or AP will give 100% daze condition (if it landed) for 26secs, long enough to annoy caster especially monk.

As a note, nothing affects the arc on Broad Head Arrow, to the best of my knowledge.

Flight time of Flatbow + Broad Head Arrow = Flight time of Recurve Bow + Read the Wind + Favourable Winds + Broad Head Arrow

The only way to Daze a target with Broad Head is to hit them while they're casting a nice long spell, to snare them, or to hit a target that doesn't move much. (Usually, NPC's in the latter case)

Hence why it gets the hate it does, stacked with the disparity in cost and recharge rate vs condition removal.

But if you're playing PvE in an area low on condition removal, or trying to solo certain NPC's (such as the resurrection priest, I guess), it's not bad.

Gusnana1412 · May 23, 2006, 12:49 AM // 00:49

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Originally Posted by Mercury Angel

As a note, nothing affects the arc on Broad Head Arrow, to the best of my knowledge.

Flight time of Flatbow + Broad Head Arrow = Flight time of Recurve Bow + Read the Wind + Favourable Winds + Broad Head Arrow

The only way to Daze a target with Broad Head is to hit them while they're casting a nice long spell, to snare them, or to hit a target that doesn't move much. (Usually, NPC's in the latter case)

Hence why it gets the hate it does, stacked with the disparity in cost and recharge rate vs condition removal.

But if you're playing PvE in an area low on condition removal, or trying to solo certain NPC's (such as the resurrection priest, I guess), it's not bad.

Yes you are right, also as a note this skill very helpfull to defeat group with 3 Doylak Master and mission like Ring of Fire Mission

Maria The Princess · May 23, 2006, 04:02 AM // 04:02

im rdy to be flamed at,

but IMO Quik Shot is the biggest elite spot waist i've ener seen.

Jenosavel · May 23, 2006, 12:39 PM // 12:39

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Originally Posted by Beat_Go_Stick

QFT

If they haven't fixed this skill, there is no doubt it is the worst in the game. The last time iI used it, all the animals in the area became hostile and attacked me instead of my enemy. Not that it really mattered that 2 level 5 animals started attacking me, mind you, but it still just made me shake my head and laugh.

Why did Otyugh cry? Because he realized his name would go down in history as the indesputable master of silly skill creation to ever exist in Tyria.

Otyugh's Cry is a pretty poor skill, but you know, if you're going to bash a skill you might as well look at what it actually gets used for.

If you don't take into account the real reason the skill gets used then you won't be able to know the real reason the skill is poor...

SnipiousMax · May 23, 2006, 01:02 PM // 13:02

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Originally Posted by Francis Demeules

Practiced stance has few function but a little potential to use it. I can do PS+ Incendiary Arrow ( as a R/Me) with Aidan.

See that would make PS worthwhile, but Incendiary is Elite as well.

Orange Milk · May 23, 2006, 02:04 PM // 14:04

Ya, whats with Quick Shot,, shoot ONE arrow that moves twice as fast. Why not use RtW and shoot a dozen that travel faster.

I like Braod Head Arrow, pisses off Monks in PvP and makes Glint a breeze in PvE.

Amarth d'Arc · May 23, 2006, 02:05 PM // 14:05

"Broadhead is useless"? LOL

I Never had a better skill in PVE. Try BHE + Epedemic (you can add Apply Poison and Throw Dirt). Large groups of Casters or Assassins melt down like snow in hell (most Mobs don´t use remove conditions).

Although the flight and activation time of "BHE" is not as good as that of "Concussion shot" it is still far more reliable to get a target (specialy Assassins and Ritualists) dazed early into the battle because you don´t have to hit while target is casting a spell.

This is the best Ranger skill for PVE/Factions. A well played BHE + Throw Dirt + Epedemic Rangerbuild is far more valuable for a group than any Barrage build.

You should hear the surprized comments from Random Teammates "how fast and smooth" Corporate Mission runs are....

SnipiousMax · May 23, 2006, 02:20 PM // 14:20

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Originally Posted by Orange Milk

Ya, whats with Quick Shot,, shoot ONE arrow that moves twice as fast. Why not use RtW and shoot a dozen that travel faster.

Read the skill description again. It shoots twice as fast. Not shoots an arrow that moves twice as fast. If it normally takes 2.0 seconds to fire an arrow, then quick shot fires in 1.0 sec.

Nivryx · May 23, 2006, 02:37 PM // 14:37

throw dirt on a caster ftw
and trapper's focus, if i was trapping i'd just take spike trap and mantra of resolve and/or whirling defense, which has worked for so long.

Huntmaster · May 23, 2006, 02:59 PM // 14:59

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Originally Posted by SnipiousMax

See that would make PS worthwhile, but Incendiary is Elite as well.

Theres a reason the guy put (R/Me with Aiden.)

Aiden's elite is PS. Arcane Theivery steals that.

SnipiousMax · May 23, 2006, 03:28 PM // 15:28

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Originally Posted by Huntmaster

Theres a reason the guy put (R/Me with Aiden.)

Aiden's elite is PS. Arcane Theivery steals that.

Wow, I didn't add that all up. I was wondering why he mentioned Aidan.

Francis Demeules · May 23, 2006, 04:48 PM // 16:48

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Originally Posted by Huntmaster

Theres a reason the guy put (R/Me with Aiden.)

Aiden's elite is PS. Arcane Theivery steals that.

Not really "steal" exactly. Just get it for a while

Robin_Anadri · May 23, 2006, 07:00 PM // 19:00

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Originally Posted by Maria The Princess

im rdy to be flamed at,

but IMO Quik Shot is the biggest elite spot waist i've ener seen.

<flame>

Ignite Arrows + Dual Shot + Quick SHot + Quick SHot + quick Shot + quick Shot + Dual Shot + quick shot...

Makes targets lose thier mind. They try to flee the AoE damage but can't because it *follows* them. Basically take a target out of action while dealing massive damage to it.

Elites are all about how you use them...

Evilsod · May 23, 2006, 07:47 PM // 19:47

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Originally Posted by Robin_Anadri

<flame>

Ignite Arrows + Dual Shot + Quick SHot + Quick SHot + quick Shot + quick Shot + Dual Shot + quick shot...

Makes targets lose thier mind. They try to flee the AoE damage but can't because it *follows* them. Basically take a target out of action while dealing massive damage to it.

Elites are all about how you use them...

Yup, the problem is that its yet another 'one trick pony'. Its just as useless as Practiced Stance. Both elites are only useful when used with 1 or 2 Preps.

Also you'd need a Pin Down in there somewhere if its in TA/RA, kiting is almost too frigging easy, specially considering some maps have huge masses of terrain.

Personally i prefer Dual Shot + Punishing Shot for normal PvE outings. Neither excessively spammable (which is good if you can't handle your energy

), but they can pack a nice punch.

Beat_Go_Stick · May 23, 2006, 09:36 PM // 21:36

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Originally Posted by Jenosavel

Otyugh's Cry is a pretty poor skill, but you know, if you're going to bash a skill you might as well look at what it actually gets used for.

If you don't take into account the real reason the skill gets used then you won't be able to know the real reason the skill is poor...

Care to enlighten me then? What is the true usage of Otyugh's Cry? Aggro tiny things to buff up your Balthazar's or Essence? I always assumed it was broken...

Popping in and saying "Why don't you look at how it's used even though you obviously have no idea what I am talking about?" doesn't help

I have never seen anyone use this successfully in any build, ever. Maybe I missed the one time someone did. Regardless, why not explain yourself?

Robin_Anadri · May 23, 2006, 11:16 PM // 23:16

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Originally Posted by Beat_Go_Stick

Care to enlighten me then? What is the true usage of Otyugh's Cry? Aggro tiny things to buff up your Balthazar's or Essence? I always assumed it was broken...

Popping in and saying "Why don't you look at how it's used even though you obviously have no idea what I am talking about?" doesn't help

I have never seen anyone use this successfully in any build, ever. Maybe I missed the one time someone did. Regardless, why not explain yourself?

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Otyugh's Cry - Shout
All animals in the area become hostile to your target and gain +20 armor for 30 seconds. Otyugh's Cry cannot turn charmed animals against their masters or their master's allies.

This includes your pet and all the pets on your team, provided they're in the area when used.

Guardian of the Light · May 23, 2006, 11:26 PM // 23:26

No skill is useless but some skills are just mroe useful then others.

Broad Head Arrow + Apply Poisen kicks ass.

Francis Demeules · May 23, 2006, 11:49 PM // 23:49

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Originally Posted by Guardian of the Light

No skill is useless but some skills are just mroe useful then others.

Broad Head Arrow + Apply Poisen kicks ass.

I smell heavy energy in that but that hurts too.

And I agree with your statement about the skills. Each has its own effectivness and all players see a point about one skills, thinking if the skill is good or not for that player and not for other players.

Just another point I want to come out, one of my friend said Predatory Bond sucks if we want to be beastmaster. Well, not in every build

Another one I dont like, Run As One. Good to running but your pet must be alive to works it. If you want to escape a mobs and your pet dies, you're fried.

deus texaco · May 24, 2006, 01:46 AM // 01:46

just wanted to say ecklipse bang on with otyughs cry.ever seen the damage a lvl 5 crab can do to a 10 foot oni?neither have i....

Wolydarg · May 24, 2006, 04:13 AM // 04:13

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Originally Posted by deus texaco

just wanted to say ecklipse bang on with otyughs cry.ever seen the damage a lvl 5 crab can do to a 10 foot oni?neither have i....

It gives all pets in your party +20 armor for 30 seconds is what he's trying to say.....that means they take half as much damage IIRC

My vote for most useless ranger skill definitely goes to Archer's Signet..